After taking a couple of quarters, and I'm learning accounting finance, negotiations, ethics assessment, etc. And when I talk to people that not only, the first thing is that, hey, I'm going through the EMBA and people say, Oh, OK. Then let's talk. Before that, when I talk to them-- well, what do you know about the business? So it's kind of-- I can not get at the table. Now at least I can get to the table.